Stereotypes in cuckoldry

[Seductive Thoughts]

I think the concern of the original post is good. Much published material is so highly stylized, articles can be broken down into stages. Longer stories start with the guy who is teased from childhood and certainly in Junior High School for his tiny willy. Taunted in boys locker rooms, he learns to avoid situations acknowledging his shortcomings. He learns to defer challenges. He develops a submissive streak. This and more prepares him to submit to his inevitable fate when his future wife is seduced and powerfully sexed by his opposite. It's a study in things predictable. Every motif of the story has been described and written about a thousand times. And that's a problem.

I understand all those things being part of 'a' story. I can see them being 'true' to life. I can also see people needing to read all the 'stereotypical' stuff ... sometimes. But so pathetically often, this becomes the framework for EVERY cuckold story. For me, that's where all semblance of reality is lost and I get bored to death.

And it isn't just the cuckold related script. Other fetishes evidence a similar tendency of progression. The more you read it, the more alike it becomes. Everything blurs. Everything becomes flat, objectified, meaningless. Only the names/settings change. It's just a question of how the words/ideas are arranged. Along the way, any semblance of eroticism is lost, for me if not anyone else. Sex may matter in life; but there's more to life than sex.

The best stories I've found arise from my correspondence with women who are in the midst of issues/questions/challenges/experiences in their own lives and relationships. I've written a number of wives over the years. Some have said some remarkable things. Some say that they never knew they could experience such levels of arousal, release, bliss, etc. Yet in time, even that becomes repetitive.

My guess is that multiple issues are involved. One is surely that the ability to write well is a rare gift. We also need to see more in life than sex. And perhaps we expect too much of porn fetish. It's one thing to enjoy a story. It's another thing to regard it like a living article of faith. We relish details; but delectable as they are, perhaps something of life, of person-hood, of meaning, of relations etc. is lost.

Cuckoldry is certainly a part of life. but it is only a part. Trying to make it more is bound to disappoint. I think that writing wives to learn about their lives and relationships has given me some of the best porn I've found anywhere. I've also taken a number of stories women have given me in parts and assembled them in narrative form. I take their thoughts and musings, their emotions and sayings. I arrange their words for the best presentation, to make the emphasis fall for maximum impact, to get the cadence just right. Some wives express surprise that their experience could be shaped so artfully. The problem for me -- the more polish I give their stories, the less it resembles these wives, and the more it looks like me.

Sigh...

 

[secondjag]

Well thought out Seductive, but think about it; life, any literature, handled by a dullard, can only be what it is: pointless drivel.

When it's good - it's really good.  when it's bad - it's painful.  I'm frequently tempted when haters here spew slime regarding what they think to tell them a thought would die of loneliness in their heads,

fin    

[Shanefm]

I'm a White Bull and I say it proudly. The word Bull is the epitome of alpha and anyone ashamed of that association should NOT identify as such. That's first!

Second, there seems to be some confusion on cuckold.  CUCKOLD in fact IS the act of the cuck being weaker, beta, smaller or average small to the hotwifes bull.  In Cuckold, a True Cuckold, there is a dominance and submissive act being played out. Humiliation and masochism is also normal in "CUCKOLD"

Your problem is you are confusing CUCKOLD with STAG/VIXEN SEX.  A Stag can also be an alpha, hung, dominant,  but likes to Share his wife as a voyeur. Usually these men even like to control the sex, kind of like a director.  

So that is your issue, you are not really into Cuckold, you like the Stag/Vixen kink. WHICH IS NOT CUCKOLD.

[jane692012]

i only recently had my first black guy and i dont know if his cock size is normal  but he stretched my cunt to its limit at first it was very painful but as he continued fucking me in front of my husband the excitement and lust kicked in and i reckon it was the best fuck ive ever had

[email protected]

[lifeslayer696]

On 7/25/2019 at 2:12 AM, Seductive Thoughts said:

I think the concern of the original post is good. Much published material is so highly stylized, articles can be broken down into stages. Longer stories start with the guy who is teased from childhood and certainly in Junior High School for his tiny willy. Taunted in boys locker rooms, he learns to avoid situations acknowledging his shortcomings. He learns to defer challenges. He develops a submissive streak. This and more prepares him to submit to his inevitable fate when his future wife is seduced and powerfully sexed by his opposite. It's a study in things predictable. Every motif of the story has been described and written about a thousand times. And that's a problem.

I understand all those things being part of 'a' story. I can see them being 'true' to life. I can also see people needing to read all the 'stereotypical' stuff ... sometimes. But so pathetically often, this becomes the framework for EVERY cuckold story. For me, that's where all semblance of reality is lost and I get bored to death.

And it isn't just the cuckold related script. Other fetishes evidence a similar tendency of progression. The more you read it, the more alike it becomes. Everything blurs. Everything becomes flat, objectified, meaningless. Only the names/settings change. It's just a question of how the words/ideas are arranged. Along the way, any semblance of eroticism is lost, for me if not anyone else. Sex may matter in life; but there's more to life than sex.

The best stories I've found arise from my correspondence with women who are in the midst of issues/questions/challenges/experiences in their own lives and relationships. I've written a number of wives over the years. Some have said some remarkable things. Some say that they never knew they could experience such levels of arousal, release, bliss, etc. Yet in time, even that becomes repetitive.

My guess is that multiple issues are involved. One is surely that the ability to write well is a rare gift. We also need to see more in life than sex. And perhaps we expect too much of porn fetish. It's one thing to enjoy a story. It's another thing to regard it like a living article of faith. We relish details; but delectable as they are, perhaps something of life, of person-hood, of meaning, of relations etc. is lost.

Cuckoldry is certainly a part of life. but it is only a part. Trying to make it more is bound to disappoint. I think that writing wives to learn about their lives and relationships has given me some of the best porn I've found anywhere. I've also taken a number of stories women have given me in parts and assembled them in narrative form. I take their thoughts and musings, their emotions and sayings. I arrange their words for the best presentation, to make the emphasis fall for maximum impact, to get the cadence just right. Some wives express surprise that their experience could be shaped so artfully. The problem for me -- the more polish I give their stories, the less it resembles these wives, and the more it looks like me.

Sigh...

 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

I am glad that you agree with my original concern. I really appreciate the amount of people who has spoken in favour of my point.

I do agree with you that the best way to find interesting stories, experiences, insight on a subject is to speak to the people involved in it. I want to put forward a provocative suggestion here: some of them may become repetitive because not all people on the internet are genuine. I have gotten in touch with many who just faked  their expriences.

As a writer myself (although English isn't my native language so the results can't be as good as yours, I'm sure...), I'd like to write some of your erotica. Is it possible to find it somewhere?

[lifeslayer696]

On 7/25/2019 at 5:16 AM, Shanefm said:

I'm a White Bull and I say it proudly. The word Bull is the epitome of alpha and anyone ashamed of that association should NOT identify as such. That's first!

Second, there seems to be some confusion on cuckold.  CUCKOLD in fact IS the act of the cuck being weaker, beta, smaller or average small to the hotwifes bull.  In Cuckold, a True Cuckold, there is a dominance and submissive act being played out. Humiliation and masochism is also normal in "CUCKOLD"

Your problem is you are confusing CUCKOLD with STAG/VIXEN SEX.  A Stag can also be an alpha, hung, dominant,  but likes to Share his wife as a voyeur. Usually these men even like to control the sex, kind of like a director.  

So that is your issue, you are not really into Cuckold, you like the Stag/Vixen kink. WHICH IS NOT CUCKOLD.

I refer you to this post for reference against your point.

On 7/24/2019 at 11:29 PM, subsucko said:

My wife and I have been in a cuckold relationship since 6 months into our relationship, with a few attempts at swinging and a six month separation before we were engaged and over the years it has evolved considerably. As I've grown more into the actual world of cuckoldry I've seen it change too. So much of what you say resonates with me. I am a cuck (a term I use proudly) by choice. I'm fit, have a decent dick, know how to use, good stamina. The stereotypes to me, have really begun to spin out of control, almost to the part where outsiders view it as the norm. 

Our boyfriend (what started out as just a regular playmate has blossomed into a polyamorous relationship) is white. And although she has had a few black lovers she still has no preference on skin color. 

I've seen a lot of people claim to be in hotwife lifestyles but not want to call it a cuckold relationship because of the connotation of it. Instead they opt to call their husbands (or themselves Stags) However these have tended to be simply open relationships where the husband gets to fool around as well. This bothers me most, a stag is a type of cuck, however one that tends to take a more passive role. Not into humiliation, maybe still dominant to his etc. You cannot change the definition of something because you don't like it, then hijack another term because you like the sound of it. 

Sorry this is so disjointed, I'm typing on my phone in two minute increments trying to look like I'm returning something important. Lol. Anyway I love this thread and am looking forward to see what everyone else thinks!

Also, as well as you may have a point on how the terms are generally understood, I disagree on the etymological meaning of the word "cuckold". The word origins from the animal, the cuckoo. Such bird lays its eggs in other birds' nests and let these latter brood them. The behavior of the female cuckoo (that normally visits 15-20 nests per reproductive cycle) is , metaphorically, considered as parallel to the human female "hopping from bed to bed". As you see, the origin of the word does NOT imply any sort of humiliation or belittling. If we remain true to the metaphor, the man plays the role of the male cuckoo and bares no mark of shame, humiliation or belittling. In fact, it's in the species nature to reproduce that way. And make no mistake: I don't enjoy a cuckolding lifestyle without humiliation of the cuck. As I've repeatedly mentioned, I got involved in this world almost by accident with a married woman. She treated her husband nicely and all. As much as it was fun to know he let his wife sleep around, I only starting enjoying the lifestyle much later when I met up with a wife who shamed her SO while we hooked up. I'm saying this just to reinforce that I'm not disgreeing with you because I'm biased against your standpoints.

[lifeslayer696]

On 7/25/2019 at 8:46 AM, jane692012 said:

i only recently had my first black guy and i dont know if his cock size is normal  but he stretched my cunt to its limit at first it was very painful but as he continued fucking me in front of my husband the excitement and lust kicked in and i reckon it was the best fuck ive ever had

[email protected]

I'm glad you've had a nice experience but the fact that one black man stretched you out doesn't mean that ALL of them will or would. Also, it depends on your body size. More importantly, what does this have to do with how cliches affect the pornographical representation of cuckoldry?

[lifeslayer696]

On 7/25/2019 at 4:00 AM, secondjag said:

Well thought out Seductive, but think about it; life, any literature, handled by a dullard, can only be what it is: pointless drivel.

When it's good - it's really good.  when it's bad - it's painful.  I'm frequently tempted when haters here spew slime regarding what they think to tell them a thought would die of loneliness in their heads,

fin    

Well phrased! lol

[cumlayus]

On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 2:39 AM, lifeslayer696 said:

Yes, I feel for that. I don't like the term either, even if I used it in my post and use it elsewhere too. The sturdiness in refusing to reflect on this matters is precisely what I'm advocating against.

I hate the term "bull", if my boyfriend is a bull then that would make me a cow. So needless to say that word is never used around here if my boys wish to keep their hangers lol

[lifeslayer696]

9 minutes ago, cumlayus said:

I hate the term "bull", if my boyfriend is a bull then that would make me a cow. So needless to say that word is never used around here if my boys wish to keep their hangers lol

I had never thought about it from this perspective...but yeah, fair enough! ahahahahahahahaha

[Seductive Thoughts]

On 7/26/2019 at 5:07 AM, lifeslayer696 said:

'Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences...'

I keep a very small blog [45 – 50 posts]. It gets hundreds of monthly visits so I know it is read. Very few reply to posts. If more wives supplied material, I’d do more writing. When I find a suitable internet post, I put it in narrative form as much as I can. I’m careful to preserve story lines and I won’t post what I can’t believe.

One of my more recent entries is at … https://tinyurl.com/ybmbe48l

 

This earlier entry was very erotic for one wife as she was considering adopting the lifestyle – which she did. https://tinyurl.com/y33ovvfe

 

For your struggle with English, many native [US] speakers could learn from you. Language is not easy and too few have the patience to ‘bridge’ between cultures in search of understanding. Something of a ‘wordsmith’ [or so I’m told], I’d be open to looking at some of your material also. Maybe we could help each other…

 

 

[lifeslayer696]

13 hours ago, Seductive Thoughts said:

 

I have not yet published works of mine on the Internet. Well, on a certain porn site a couple stories are available...but they are juvenile works of mine, which I wrote at 16 (when my English has yet to improve) and which I uploaded without editing. In short, nothing worth reading....even if, funnily, one of the story does involve a cuckold scenario and is freely inspired to a real experience of mine.

I do have more recent texts in pdf format. One, in particular, might be up-to-par but it doesn't imply a cuckold scenario. If you want to read it, I may send it thtough private message, if you don't mind.

[CuckoldFart]

GREAT 😎

[secondjag]

On 7/24/2019 at 10:16 PM, Shanefm said:

I'm a White Bull and I say it proudly. The word Bull is the epitome of alpha and anyone ashamed of that association should NOT identify as such. That's first!

Second, there seems to be some confusion on cuckold.  CUCKOLD in fact IS the act of the cuck being weaker, beta, smaller or average small to the hotwifes bull.  In Cuckold, a True Cuckold, there is a dominance and submissive act being played out. Humiliation and masochism is also normal in "CUCKOLD"

Your problem is you are confusing CUCKOLD with STAG/VIXEN SEX.  A Stag can also be an alpha, hung, dominant,  but likes to Share his wife as a voyeur. Usually these men even like to control the sex, kind of like a director.  

So that is your issue, you are not really into Cuckold, you like the Stag/Vixen kink. WHICH IS NOT CUCKOLD.

your joking, right?  couldn't be more wrong.

[lifeslayer696]

2 minutes ago, secondjag said:

your joking, right?  couldn't be more wrong.

I've tried to make him understand that with my reply to his comment...but he never replied back! What do you say, @secondjag? Has he understood that he's wrong? hahahahahahaha I doubt it lol

[secondjag]

15 minutes ago, lifeslayer696 said:

I've tried to make him understand that with my reply to his comment...but he never replied back! What do you say, @secondjag? Has he understood that he's wrong? hahahahahahaha I doubt it lol

i'll refer you to my comment above regarding "thoughts."

[Enigma6320]

On 6/10/2019 at 4:54 PM, lifeslayer696 said:

Btw, before i mentioned my researches about the cuckquean phenomenon...but I forgot to mention something that might make people luagh (or angry...dunno). While doing those researches, I have come across a research where ti was stated that white women (especially in the USa) tend to look for black "bulls" because it is a cultural heritage of when Afroamericans were slave. I have lost my documentation but I remember this (female) sociologist asserting that, since it was customary to not consider black people as humans during the slavery era - and hence it was not truly considered cheating to sleep with them - , that mechanism remained ingraned in the society. Especially where black people obtained legal right not too long ago.

I cannot stress that I have no set opinon on that. It was an article I read a long time ago, but I don't have sufficient data pro or contrary the thesis. However, @SandL, something more to think about as to why you choose black men!! hahahahahah (Kidding, obviously...)

A bit late to the discussion, but....

The thing about "bulls" being black is very much a USA thing that has crossed the Atlantic as so many cultural concepts tend to do and, of course, in the original definition of the word cuckoldry the "bull" was just the wife's lover that the husband knew nothing about and was probably just someone who lived in the same or adjacent village so very unlikely to be black.

Like @captainblack I've been the "bull" for a couple where the husband had ED. If I had tried to belittle him in any way the wife would never have seen me again, she was grateful to him for allowing her needs to be satisfied. The irony was that he was actually quite sub and while he never wanted to watch he couldn't wait to rush home after I left to bury his face in the cream pie that I left for him.

 

[lifeslayer696]

22 hours ago, Enigma6320 said:

A bit late to the discussion, but....

The thing about "bulls" being black is very much a USA thing that has crossed the Atlantic as so many cultural concepts tend to do and, of course, in the original definition of the word cuckoldry the "bull" was just the wife's lover that the husband knew nothing about and was probably just someone who lived in the same or adjacent village so very unlikely to be black.

Like @captainblack I've been the "bull" for a couple where the husband had ED. If I had tried to belittle him in any way the wife would never have seen me again, she was grateful to him for allowing her needs to be satisfied. The irony was that he was actually quite sub and while he never wanted to watch he couldn't wait to rush home after I left to bury his face in the cream pie that I left for him.

 

Yes. You're right. The predominance of black bulls is definitely fueled by the American culture. Especially, I'd add, via the monopoly USA has on porn. I don't know if this stereotype has anything to do with unsolved internal issues that makes going with a black man more transgressive for a white woman.

I'm glad you've had positive experiences being a bull. It has happened once to me too that the cuckold was very submissive and craved humiliation but the wife would have been pissed off if I dared. A very paradoxical situation.

[Enigma6320]

1 minute ago, lifeslayer696 said:

I'm glad you've had positive experiences being a bull. It has happened once to me too that the cuckold was very submissive and craved humiliation but the wife would have been pissed off if I dared. A very paradoxical situation.

I used to chat with him on Skype, so he was able to get his "fix" without his wife knowing much about it.

I did once suggest that she took her knickers off before I got there and sent him out in them, apparently she told him and he basically puklkled her jeans off to get her panties to put on himslef... Got a photo somewhere

[lifeslayer696]

On 8/21/2019 at 5:16 PM, Enigma6320 said:

I used to chat with him on Skype, so he was able to get his "fix" without his wife knowing much about it.

I did once suggest that she took her knickers off before I got there and sent him out in them, apparently she told him and he basically puklkled her jeans off to get her panties to put on himslef... Got a photo somewhere

You should show it to the community!